many people in western countries. clearly in the last 19 months this notion that in any way he's a reformer has gone out the window. >> 30 seconds, point of contention, that why the u.s. stepped in in libya but not in syria? >> well, we heard it from joe bid biden, but not just joe biden. these are observers, xerts w ex have gone to syria, a bigger country, more populated. the syrian military is stronger, no split between east and west as there was in libya going in. and air support alone probably wouldn't do it. that said, something needs to be done, many people say, what will it be? that's a big question because people are dying. >> final presidential debate on foreign policy specifically, hala gorani, thank you very much. now, joe biden, heads up, we're watching and waiting this will be first time we will have heard from him since the debate last night. speaking for the first time in, here we go, live pictures, don't see him yet, in paul ryan's territory, lacrosse, wisconsin. waiting for him, watching. be right back. customer erin swenson bought from us online today.